released today at 17 o'clock Coupat Julien, leader of the town of Tarnac in central France, considered responsible for the sabotage of high-speed trains. Imprigionato senza prove il 15 novembre con l'accusa di terrorismo, si è guadagnato le simpatie della stampa francese, nonostante le sue posizioni apertamente insurrezionaliste. Ne traduciamo l'ultima intervista rilasciata a Le Monde dal carcere. Da Le Monde 25.05.2009. Titolo originale: « Julien Coupat : 'La prolongation de ma détention est une petite vengeance' » . Intervista a cura di Isabelle Mandraud e Caroline Monnot.
Come vive la sua detenzione ?
Molto bene grazie. Flessioni, corsetta, lettura.
Può ricordarci le circostanze del suo arrest?
A gang of young hooded and armed to the teeth has been introduced into our home with the burglary. We have been threatened, handcuffed and taken away, not without having first smashed everything. We were abducted on board powerful race cars traveling at more than 170 km / h on average on the highway. In their conversations, often returning a Mr. Marion [former head of the police anti-terrorist] events which are engaging and very masculine, like the one that consisted of slapping hilarity across one of his colleagues, in the midst of a farewell party. We were held for four days in one of their "people's prison" whose stunning questions absurdity was competing with obscenity.
What seemed to be the brains of the operation apologized vaguely explaining all this circus that was the fault of the 'services', above, where people waved to each type that we had very much with us. At this time my captors are still at large. Some recent news stories attest that continue to rage even with impunity.
sabotage lines SNCF in France have been asserted in Germany. What he says about it?
At the time of our arrest, French police already have the communiqué claiming, in addition to sabotage that want to make out, other attacks occurred simultaneously in Germany. This leaflet has several drawbacks: it was mailed in Hanover, only written in German and sent to newspapers from across the Rhine, but also does not square with the story the media on our behalf, that the small group of fanatics who lead the attack on the heart of the State engaging three pieces of iron of overhead. They took care, afterwards, not to mention too this release or in the process, or in the public lie.
It 's true that the sabotage of the train lines will lose much of its aura of mystery: it was simply to protest against the transport by rail to Germany's nuclear waste ultra-waste and to report the passing of the great fraud "crisis". The statement ends with a long train "thank passengers for their understanding involved." That touch, however, these "terrorists"!
is recognized in the qualifications of "anarcho-autonomous movement" and "ultra"?
Let me take a step back. We live today in France, the end of a period of freezing historian whose founding act was the agreement between Gaullists and Stalinists in 1945 to disarm the people on the pretext of "preventing a civil war." The terms of this agreement may be formulated as to make haste: while the right gave up her accent openly fascist, left abandoned on the other hand, every serious prospect of revolution. The advantage they enjoy and which played for four years, the clique Sarkozi is taking the initiative, unilaterally, to break this pact, linking "without complexes" of pure reaction to the classics - the crazy, religion, 'West Africa, the work, the history of France, national or identity.
Faced with this power in war who dares to think strategically and to divide the world into friends, enemies and negligible waste, the left remains paralyzed. It 's too vile, too compromised, and to be honest, too discredited to oppose any resistance to a power that she does not dare to treat him as an enemy and who wins, one by one the most clever of its elements. How far left to Besancenot, whatever its electoral scores, and even if the state comes out in small groups which always grows, it did not lead to a more desirable to offer than just the Soviet greyness retouched in Photoshop. His fate is disappointing.
In the sphere of political representation, the powers that be did not, therefore nothing to fear from anyone. And I'm not sure the trade union bureaucracies, sold more than ever, that bother me, they who for two years danzano con il governo un balletto così osceno. In queste condizioni, la sola forza che sia in grado di impensierire la gang sarkozista, il suo solo nemico reale in questo Paese, è la strada: la strada e le sue antiche inclinazioni rivoluzionarie. Lei sola, di fatto, nei tumulti che hanno seguito il secondo turno del rito plebiscitario del maggio 2007, ha saputo sollevarsi per un istante all’altezza della situazione. Lei sola, alle Antille o nelle recenti occupazioni di aziende o di università, ha saputo far intendere un’altra voce.
Questa analisi sommaria del teatro delle operazioni ha dovuto imporsi abbastanza presto se i Servizi facevano apparire sin da giugno 2007, sotto la penna di giornalisti al seguito (And in particular on Le Monde ) the first articles svelanti the terrible danger that the "anarcho-autonomous" would weigh up all social life. Attributed them to begin with, spontaneous organization of the riots that have, in many cities, hailed the "triumph election" of the new president.
With this tale of "anarcho-autonomous," has drawn the terms of the threat which the Interior Minister has also committed meekly, including arrest raids and targeted media, to give a little 'meat and some face. When no longer able to contain what it overflows, you can still assign the a box and put in jail. Now, that of 'casseur ", which now meet the bulk of the workers Clairoix, the children of the tenements in the suburbs, students picketed and the counter-demonstrators, some more effective in the management of social harmony, lets criminalize the acts, of non-existence. But it is precisely the intention of the new power now attack your enemy as such, without waiting for it to express itself. This is the vocation of the new categories of repression.
not matter, in fin de 'Conti, who did not find anyone in France who recognize "anarcho-autonomous', or that the ultra is a current policy which had its hours of glory in the '20s and has not, then never produced anything but harmless marxologia volumes. Moreover, the recent fortunes of the term "ultra" which allowed some journalists rushed to catalog without a fight insurgents Greek last December owes much to the fact that nobody knows what was the ultra-left, not even that has ever existed.
At this point, and in anticipation of the overflow for the systematic, in the face of provocations of a global oligarchy and French with their backs to the wall, the police use of these categories should not admit more discussions. Difficult to predict, however, which of the "anarcho-autonomous' and 'ultra' finally snatch the approval of the Spectacle, in order to relegate nell'inesplicabile a revolt that now justifies everything perfectly.
The police considered the leader of a group on the verge of falling in terrorism. What do you think?
imputation so pathetic it can not depend on a regime on the verge of falling into nothingness.
What does it mean for you the word 'terrorism'?
Nothing can explain why the Department of Information and Security Algerian suspected of having orchestrated, with the approval of the DST, the wave of bombings in 1995, is ranked among the organizations international terrorist. Nothing can not explain the sudden transformation of the "terrorist" into a hero of the Liberation party to attend for in the agreements of Evian in Iraqi policeman or 'moderate Taliban' in our day, according to the tastes of the alternate American strategic doctrine.
Nothing, if not sovereignty. E 'sovereign in this world, who appoints the terrorist. Those who refuse to share in this sovereignty will look good and to answer your question. Who Bramer few crumbs will be granted promptly. Who does not stifle bad faith will find very instructive case of the two ex-"terrorists" have become one Prime Minister of Israel, the other president of the Palestinian Authority, and having both received, in addition, the Nobel Prize for peace.
The vagueness surrounding the status of "terrorism," the manifest impossibility of defining it are not directed to some temporary weakness of the French law: they are the basis of something that may well be defined as: counter-terrorism and form rather the operating condition. Counter-terrorism is a technique of government that has its roots in the old art of counter-insurgency war that 'psychological', to remain polite.
counter-terrorism, Contrary to what the term would suggest, is not a means of combating terrorism, is the method used to produce, positively, the political enemy as a terrorist . It is through a whole medley of provocation, infiltration, surveillance, intimidation and propaganda, through a whole science of media manipulation, the 'psychological action', the production of evidence and crimes, even through the merger of the police and judiciary , of annihilating the 'subversive threat "involving, among the population, the internal enemy, the enemy political and the feeling of terror.
The essential in modern warfare, is this "battle of hearts and minds" in which all shots are allowed. The basic procedure, here, is invariable: identify the enemy in order to separate it from the people and the common reason, to perform at the appearance of the monster, defame, humiliate him publicly incite the most vile and spit on Him, to encourage hatred . " The law should be used as just another weapon in the government and in this case represents nothing more than a propaganda cover for getting rid of undesirable members of the public. For maximum effectiveness, you will agree that the service activities records are linked to the war effort as discreet as possible 'already recommended in 1971, Brigadier General Frank Kitson [former British Army general, theoretical counter-insurgency war], he knew something.
once, in our case, counter-terrorism did not fire. You are ready, in France, to let terrorize us. The extension of my detention for 'reasonable' is a little revenge understandable, given the resources employed and the depth of the failure, which is understandable the rage a bit 'mean the' services', since 11 November, in 'due by printing the misdeeds more imaginative, or Tampin every last one of our comrades. As this logic of retaliation has taken on the establishment of police and judges on the little heart, that's what they have had the merit of revealing, in recent times, the arrest of rhythmic 'Friends Coupat Julien. "
must say that some are played in this affair, a whole piece of their lamentable career, Alain Bauer [criminology], others to launch their new services, like poor Mr. Squarcini [Central Director of Internal Communications] , the credibility of others who have never had and will never, as Michèle Alliot-Marie.
Lei viene da un ambiente molto agiato che avrebbe potuto orientarla in un’altra direzione...
« V’è della plebe in tutte le classi » (Hegel).
Perché Tarnac ?
Andiamo, può capire. Se non capisce, niente potrà spiegarglielo, temo.
Lei si definisce un intellettuale ? Un filosofo ?
La filosofia nasce come lutto chiacchierone della saggezza originaria. Platone intende già la parola di Eraclito come sfuggita a un mondo scomparso. Nell’epoca dell’intellettualità diffusa, non si vede cosa « intellettuale » potrebbe specificare, se non non l’estensione che separates in him the ability to think the attitude to life. Sad titles, in truth, and nothing else. But for those who , exactly, should be defined?
She 's the author of the book is that the insurgency ?
E 'the most formidable of this process: a book full poured in the dossier of the investigation, interrogation in which you try to make you say that you live as it is written in' Insurrection that is, as you show is predicted in 'Insurrection that is, that sabotaged train lines to commemorate the Bolshevik coup of October 1917, as is mentioned in 'Insurrection that is, a publisher and convened by the anti-terrorist services. A memory
French, had not seen in a long time that the power because he was afraid of a book . It was quite accustomed to believe that as long as the extreme left was busy writing, at least would not have made the revolution. Times change, that's for sure. The seriousness of the story returns.
What rivoltaci founded on terrorism charges is a suspicion of a coincidence of thought and life, what makes the conspiracy is the I suspect that this coincidence is not left individual heroism, but it would be the object of common attention. Negatively, this means that you do not suspect anyone of those who sign with their name so many fierce criticism of the current system, putting into practice the least of their firm resolutions, the insult is severe. Unfortunately, I am not the author of 'Rebellion that is - and this matter should rather convince you of the inherent police the author-function.
It does not, however, a reader. Rereading it, not later than one week ago, I better understood the rabid hysterical fury that is exercised at the highest levels, to prosecute the alleged perpetrators. The scandal of this book is that everything that figure is strictly true catastrophically, and continues to occur every day. Because what happens, under the guise of a 'crisis', a 'collapse of confidence', a 'mass rejection of the ruling class' is just the end of a civilization, the implosion of a paradigm: the the government, which regulated everything in the West - the relation of beings to themselves no less political order, religion, business or organization. There is, a tutti i livelli del presente, una gigantesca perdita di padronanza a cui nessuna macumba poliziesca offrirà rimedio.
Non è trafiggendoci di pene detentive, di sorveglianza pignola, di controlli giudiziari e di divieti di comunicare, col motivo che saremmo noi gli autori di questa lucida constatazione, che si farà svanire ciò che è constatato. Il proprio delle verità è di sfuggire, appena enunciate, a coloro che le formulano. Governanti, non vi sarà servito a niente di assicurarci alla giustizia : al contrario.
Lei sta leggendo Sorvegliare e punire di Michel Foucault. Quell’analisi le pare ancora pertinente ?
La prigione is undoubtedly the dirty little secret of French society, the key, not the margin of social relations more presentable. What is concentrated here in a compact whole, not a bunch of barbarians overgrown you a good time to have us believe, but all of the disciplines that weave on the outside, the existence of so-called 'normal'. Wardens, dining halls, football in the yard, planning time, divisions, camaraderie, stick, ugliness of the architecture: we have stayed in prison for the full measure, for example, what school, the school innocent of the Republic, contains prison.
Seen from this angle
inoccultabile, not the prison that would be a receptacle for the company's botched, but the company that makes the effect of a botched prison. The organization of separation, the same administration of misery by hashish, TV, sports and porn reigns everywhere, elsewhere, although with less methodical. In short, these high walls not escape the eyes if not the truth, from the banality explosive lives and souls are in all respects similar, those that have been dragging on either side of the barbed wire, and because of him. If you
hunts so eagerly to the testimonies "from within » che esporrebbero infine i segreti che la prigione cela, è per meglio occultare il segreto che essa è : quello della vostra servitù, di voi che siete ritenuti liberi mentre la sua minaccia pesa invisibilmente su ciascuno dei vostri gesti.
Tutta l’indignazione virtuosa che circonda il marciume delle galere francesi e i loro suicidi a ripetizione, tutta la grossolana contro-propaganda dell’amministrazione penitenziaria che mette in scena per le telecamere secondini votati al benessere del detenuto e direttori del gabbio preoccupati del « senso della pena », insomma : tutto questo dibattito sull’orrore dell’incarcerazione e la necessaria umanizzazione della detenzione è vecchio come prison. Makes even some of its effectiveness, allowing you to combine the terror that it must inspire with his hypocritical punishment statute "civil". The small system of espionage, of humiliation and plunder that the French state has more fanatical than any other in Europe around the detainee is not even scandalous. The state pays him a hundred times more expensive every day, in its suburbs, and apparently is only a beginning: The Revenge is the hygiene of the people.
But the most remarkable deception of the judicial system-is certainly in the penitential claim that it exists to punish criminals and does nothing but manage lawlessness. Any owner - and not just to Total - whatever President of the General Council - and not just to Hauts-de-Seine -, any police officer knows what it takes to illegal exercise properly their job. The chaos of the laws is that, nowadays, that is too good not to try to enforce them, and the Anti-Drug - she - does well to be limited to regular traffic, and not to repress it, which would be socially and politically suicidal.
The division does not pass then, as argued by the legal fiction, between legal and illegal, between the innocent and the criminals, but among the criminals who should prosecute and judge those who are left in peace as required by the general policy of society. The race of innocents has been extinct for a long time and is not worth what they will condemn the Justice: the penalty is justice itself, is not so concerned for my friends and me, to "reclaim our innocence ' , as the press was duly allowed to go to write, but to rout the adventurous offensive policy represented by this infectious process. Some of the conclusions to which the mind is prone to lead Discipline and Punish Santé starting from [prison in Paris]. Does not suggest strongly enough, given what Foucault are twenty years of work of Foucault, sending them into retirement, for some time, here.
How analyzes what is happening?
No, you're wrong: what happens to us, my companions and me, it happens to you too. E 'on the other hand here the first mystification of power, nine people were prosecuted under a legal procedure for "criminal association with a terrorist," and should feel very concerned by this serious accusation. But there is a 'affaire Tarnac', any more than there is a "Coupat affair" or an "affaire Hazan [editor of 'insurgency that is ]. What there is, is an oligarchy wavering from every point of view, which gets fierce when it feels really threatened . The prince has no other support that the fear-inspiring as his view does not excite most people in that hatred and contempt.
What is before us, is a bifurcation, both historical and metaphysical or pass from a paradigm of government in a paradigm of living, the price of a rebellion shocking but cruel, or let it be establishes, on a planetary scale, air-conditioned with the coexistence of this disaster, under the auspices of a management "without complexes," citizens of the imperial elite and plebeian masses held in the margins of everything. So there is, in effect, a war, a war among the beneficiaries of the disaster and those who make life an idea less anorexic. He has never seen a ruling class that is suicide willingly. The revolt has
conditions did not cause a . How many ministries of national identity, how many Continental layoffs fashion, how many roundups of illegal immigrants or political opponents, those kids made out by the police in the suburbs, many ministers who threaten to remove the diploma to those who still dare to take up their university takes to decide that such a system, also installed by an apparently democratic plebiscite, has no right to exist, and deserves only to be overthrown? It 's a matter of sensitivity.
Servitude is intolerable that can be infinitely tolerated. As a matter of sensitivity and this sensitivity is immediately political (not for the fact that you ask "if you go to vote?" But "my existence is compatible with everything?"), For power is a question of anesthesia, which responds by increasingly large doses of fun, fear and stupidity. And if the anesthesia does not work more, this order against him, which brought together all reasons to rebel attempts to deter terror by a small special.
We are not, my comrades and I, that a variable of this apposition. We suspect, like many others, as so many "young" as many "bands", not to be more sympathetic to a world that is sinking. At that point only, do not lie. Fortunately, the jumble of swindlers, impostors, industrialists, financiers and girls, all under neuroleptic this court of Mazarin, Louis Napoleon in Disney version of Fouché on Sunday that for the time being holds the country lacks the most basic sense dialectical. Every step they take to control all the approaches their defeat. Each new "victory" of which you have spread a bit 'wider than the wish to see themselves defeated. Any operation in which they imagine to comfort their power to make it odious ends. In other words, the situation is excellent. This is no time to lose courage.
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